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  • #16
    They want efficiency.

    Originally posted by UScitizenFilingforspouse View Post
    Well said. It's important to read the whole notice.

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    I couldn't agree more with everything you just said.


    Exactly! The reason for such huge backlogs is probably a lot of people who do not follow all directions required for filing. I?m sure the USCIS is seeing a HUGE increase in applications pretty much since Trump?s inauguration so I can see where they would want to filter out careless filings that don?t follow all the requirements. Just look at some of the questions asked on these forums.. no offense, but so many people ask questions that are clearly outlined in the application instructions. I recommend a reputable immigration attorney.. they are not cheap but there are really good ones that are affordable. The attorney really makes sure your application is complete before it?s sent off and trust me, their experience, knowledge of the law, and the peace of mind is worth it. I have an awesome one, and he is absolutely affordable, trustworthy, and knowledgeable. He and his team have made my long hard journey to getting a GC from being EWI bearable. I?m currently going through the process myself. Message me if you?re in need of a good attorney out of the LA area. Good luck everyone! I?ll keep my signatures updated to show my timeline for comparison.
    DACA approved: 12/2014
    I-485, I-130, I-131, I-765 apps. sent: 6/28/2018
    NOA receipt notices received: 7/13/2018
    I-485- Case ready to be scheduled for an interview.: 8/1/2018
    I-765/I-131- Card received.: 10/26/2018
    11/5/19- INTERVIEW SCHEDULED/NOTICE LETTER RECEIVED!
    12/9/19- Interview/approval on same day/card being produced.
    12/12/19- (email) GC being mailed to me notice received.
    12/13/19- (email) USPS picked up card in mail.
    12/14/19- GC delivered.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by keldreams View Post
      Exactly! The reason for such huge backlogs is probably a lot of people who do not follow all directions required for filing. I?m sure the USCIS is seeing a HUGE increase in applications pretty much since Trump?s inauguration so I can see where they would want to filter out careless filings that don?t follow all the requirements. Just look at some of the questions asked on these forums.. no offense, but so many people ask questions that are clearly outlined in the application instructions. I recommend a reputable immigration attorney.. they are not cheap but there are really good ones that are affordable. The attorney really makes sure your application is complete before it?s sent off and trust me, their experience, knowledge of the law, and the peace of mind is worth it. I have an awesome one, and he is absolutely affordable, trustworthy, and knowledgeable. He and his team have made my long hard journey to getting a GC from being EWI bearable. I?m currently going through the process myself. Message me if you?re in need of a good attorney out of the LA area. Good luck everyone! I?ll keep my signatures updated to show my timeline for comparison.
      Actually I have found non-profit immigration centers to be more effective than some of attorneys I have read about here. It?s a horror story one after the other. I used a non profit immigration lawyer that I only paid $550 to prepare my file. Got my EAD within 139 days and just waiting for the interview to be scheduled. He said he will even assist us with Preparing for the interview at no extra cost if we want to. So for those that do not have a complicated case and cannot afford an immigration lawyer I would advice to find a non profit immigration center that can go over your application or help you to fill it.
      Here is a link to find one using your zip code

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      • #18
        Originally posted by cali2018 View Post
        Saying that "what XYZ supported Trump, good he deserves to be deported", is rather silly and exact attitude of the current administration and has got us to where we are now. Seems like everyone wants to make this a "partisian issue". Truly look at the #s, very likely he could get re-elected in 2020 and vast majority of people are annoyed about how much "abuse of the system has created". Also there is this.. ...So immigration is not exactly their main agenda or will it be?


        Policies like this will for sure give immigration lawyers more work and higher fees. But forums like this should instruct people to be more careful with their overall applications, adding proper cover letters, folders, following up in due time, making sure to read and have the right forms, etc. As well maybe people will think twice about pushing to overstay on certain visas and then filing for AOS path versus looking at more prudent and easier paths to them at the time. Often the response from people is to "file AOS asap" and there is plenty experiences here of people who filed AOS as a placeholer and then various RFEs followed which slows down everyone's process.
        You are acting like the uscis is a well oiled machine and not the big unwieldy government bureaucracy it is. How many threads here are about USCIS sending people RFE's for stuff that has already been sent and lost of the USCIS misunderstanding the evidence. There are several threads for instance about the intending immigrant using their legal income or assets for fulfill i-864 only for the USCIS to send them an RFE, that intending immigrants income cant not be used.

        Usps has also been know to lose correspondence or delays in delivery of RFEs or the like. Now with no NOIDs and RFEs means you have no way to remedy the situation before your case is dened and you are in immigration court - more time and resources.

        And how incredibly cynical and selfish of you to be willing to sacrifice others if it will speed your cases up. smh
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Plz View Post
          Actually I have found non-profit immigration centers to be more effective than some of attorneys I have read about here. It?s a horror story one after the other. I used a non profit immigration lawyer that I only paid $550 to prepare my file. Got my EAD within 139 days and just waiting for the interview to be scheduled. He said he will even assist us with Preparing for the interview at no extra cost if we want to. So for those that do not have a complicated case and cannot afford an immigration lawyer I would advice to find a non profit immigration center that can go over your application or help you to fill it.
          Here is a link to find one using your zip code
          Yes, there are terrible lawyers out there.. not all are bad though. If you find that the non profit centers work for you, and their workload isn?t too much forntime effiencency, more power to you! Any help you can find through this process is good. My particular case needed more attention and was a little more complicated than a straight forward AOS application so I wanted to err on the side of caution and apply through a lawyer. Like I said, peace of mind.
          Last edited by ceci1073; 02-23-2021, 01:53 PM. Reason: Link
          DACA approved: 12/2014
          I-485, I-130, I-131, I-765 apps. sent: 6/28/2018
          NOA receipt notices received: 7/13/2018
          I-485- Case ready to be scheduled for an interview.: 8/1/2018
          I-765/I-131- Card received.: 10/26/2018
          11/5/19- INTERVIEW SCHEDULED/NOTICE LETTER RECEIVED!
          12/9/19- Interview/approval on same day/card being produced.
          12/12/19- (email) GC being mailed to me notice received.
          12/13/19- (email) USPS picked up card in mail.
          12/14/19- GC delivered.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by azblk View Post
            You are acting like the uscis is a well oiled machine and not the big unwieldy government bureaucracy it is. How many threads here are about USCIS sending people RFE's for stuff that has already been sent and lost of the USCIS misunderstanding the evidence. There are several threads for instance about the intending immigrant using their legal income or assets for fulfill i-864 only for the USCIS to send them an RFE, that intending immigrants income cant not be used.

            Usps has also been know to lose correspondence or delays in delivery of RFEs or the like. Now with no NOIDs and RFEs means you have no way to remedy the situation before your case is dened and you are in immigration court - more time and resources.

            And how incredibly cynical and selfish of you to be willing to sacrifice others if it will speed your cases up. smh
            Again the memo does not say a well written applicaiton with an i-864 is going to be automatically denied. An application with no i-864 and minimal information in other areas could be denied right away now that is what it says. Next, yes choosing to use "legal income" or "assets" is one of the more difficult bars to prove at USCIS and should not be taken lightly, so if you get an RFE about it to explain the process in more depth should not shock someone. For instance for the legal income case, it's really there for those on long-term work visas. Since they want 3 years of tax returns filed typically to not go through the process to verify the income source. Someone on a long-term work visa, would have 3 years with the same employer rather easily, everyone else not so much. For assets they want to see how liquid it is and again what the source it came from. Truly when you compare that bar/burden to the process of other countries (Canada/EU/etc) when it comes to immigration it's not exactly a massive bar.

            USCIS has in the last 2 years taken massive strides to work closer with USPS. First off, they are changing the way physical documents are delviered to fool proof it more. They encourage you to sign up for informed delivery and make sure you have correct access to your mail. They take your "change of address" process very seriously, send an initial "service request", "follow-up confirmination". You are not even able to "change your address" anymore till you verfiy with USPS you have initiated a "change of address".

            Sacrifice others? No, you seem to think no one is abusing the system and seem to think there is no actual issues with "processing times" getting worse and worse.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by cali2018 View Post
              Again the memo does not say a well written applicaiton with an i-864 is going to be automatically denied. An application with no i-864 and minimal information in other areas could be denied right away now that is what it says. Next, yes choosing to use "legal income" or "assets" is one of the more difficult bars to prove at USCIS and should not be taken lightly, so if you get an RFE about it to explain the process in more depth should not shock someone. For instance for the legal income case, it's really there for those on long-term work visas. Since they want 3 years of tax returns filed typically to not go through the process to verify the income source. Someone on a long-term work visa, would have 3 years with the same employer rather easily, everyone else not so much. For assets they want to see how liquid it is and again what the source it came from. Truly when you compare that bar/burden to the process of other countries (Canada/EU/etc) when it comes to immigration it's not exactly a massive bar.
              now you are just making things up. First there is no requirement for 3 years of tax returns. Second legal income is not restricted to people with long term work visas anyone with a work permit or work visa can use thier income for i-864 purposes. There is nothing in the statute that requires 3 years of tax returns. What tends to happen is a misunderstanding of the law by uscis who then send out RFEs. It was then a simple fix either the applicant argued their case with the USCIS or they got another i-864 and the problem was solved, yet now they may end up in deportation for something as simple as that.

              Originally posted by cali2018 View Post
              USCIS has in the last 2 years taken massive strides to work closer with USPS. First off, they are changing the way physical documents are delviered to fool proof it more. They encourage you to sign up for informed delivery and make sure you have correct access to your mail. They take your "change of address" process very seriously, send an initial "service request", "follow-up confirmination". You are not even able to "change your address" anymore till you verfiy with USPS you have initiated a "change of address".

              For your information mail still gets lost or delivered to the wrong address even with informed delivery. The USCIS itself also loses applications, does not mail out RFES and the like. Presently in situations like this you get a chance to fix the problem before being denied when you are issued a NOID. By taking that away too, the first time some people will even know their applications are in trouble is when they will get a denial notice with the attached NTA.

              Originally posted by cali2018 View Post
              Sacrifice others? No, you seem to think no one is abusing the system and seem to think there is no actual issues with "processing times" getting worse and worse.
              Assign the blame where it goes correctly instead of putting it on fellow immigrants who have done nothing wrong and are just trying to AOS like you are. This administration now or soon will require that all employer based adjustments also go through interviews which was not the case before. They are adding peole to the queues without increasing the field offices or officers. How do you think that affects processing times?

              The immigration courts are already just as backed up as the USCIS so all your doing is removing people from one line and putting them in another.

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              • #22
                I find it a little strange that there are people here that believe it is intended to speed up the process by USCIS by reducing frivolous filing etc... And yet advocate contacting Senators etc... and calling USCIS for information prior to the time indicated on the USCIS processing times as being current for their case. Surely all of this contact could be considered frivolous and no doubt adds greatly to the workload of USCIS.

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                • #23
                  Reading all those news trying to stay positive but also have feeling just move to Canada .

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                  • #24
                    Again, . So before you tell someone to vote make sure they are even supporting the issue. Maybe call their office and see what reps will say on the issue.

                    Next, you are correct using the policy/manual to exact word is true so yes "required" is a strong word. But would you not agree that the policy/law also says that USCIS has the power to assess if the intending immigrant will become a public charge or not? For USCIS to pass this test, they have what appears three levels of acceptance. First and easiest, "sponsor's sole income potential is enough to cover household needs". Second and somewhat tougher, "sponsor's sole income potential and current liquid assets is enough to cover household needs". Third and possibly the toughest, "sponors entire household income potential and entire household liquid current assets is enough to cover household needs". Then they have what appears levels of evidence to prove the above stated claims. First and most powerful, three years of IRS tax transcripts. Second, combination of w2s/1099 forms and 6 months of paystubs. Later on the list, harder to prove is current and liquid assets. Then as we get lower on the list we get to just "employer letter and 6 months of paystubs".

                    Also the instructions repeatedly say "You may include evidence supporting your claim about your expected income for the current year if you believe that submitting this evidence will help you establish ability to maintain sufficient income. You are not required to submit this evidence, however, unless specifically instructed to do so by a U.S. Government official." = translation we can give you an RFIE if we want and you will provide this information. As well as, "If you choose to rely on income from the three most recent tax years, you must submit an IRS
                    transcript or copy of your Federal individual income tax return." = translation again nothing is "required" but if your case is more 50/50 in our minds we will be sending you an RFE and do not be shocked.

                    You also mention, "sometimes the applicant got a new i-864", as in they got a joint sponsor or something new because they could not prove the intial claims they made? Or is the simple fix, they wrote in current income, without giving additional information they ask for (employment letter, paystubs, etc). You seem to think the "mistake" is always on USCIS part. Majority of RFIE's are due to sponsor's who only send 1 year of tax returns and do not easily qualify, while putting their income in for years 2 and year 3. They solve those RFIEs by then sending in the past 2 years or w2/1099s, which they could have done from stage 1. Again something people on forum like this could advise vs what is "required" due to the evil USCIS officer wanting to NTA them.

                    The blame is on various parties. Majority of the people in all levels of government support changes to employment based AOS process and not sure any of them oppose having employment based interviews. Lastly, I doubt many of us are indian H1B engineers on 10 year waiting lists so let's keep that discussion/fight for those folks? I am sure many many would support changes to their proesses.

                    Again, unless you have a direct line to the USCIS director and he plans to issue NTAs to anyone who has a well written, detailed, reasonable applicaiton please let us know. Till then if you fear NTAs are going to cause havoc and deport everyone due to mistakes and missing mail by government agencies. As I said from the start, suppot the "abolish ICE" movement which is being led by both members of the aisle and not a blanket nomination/vote for one party.
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                    • #25
                      NTA and deported immediately...lol those two terms can't ever be fitted in the same sentence.

                      In some cases Immigration courts move faster than USCIS when it comes to clean adjustments. I emphasis on CLEAN adjustment meaning no arrest or other issues.
                      Marriage based AOS concurre
                      Feb 2017 - Date received
                      Feb 2017 - RFE received
                      March 2017 - Biometrics completed
                      April 2017 - RFE response received case no longer on hold
                      April 2017 - Case is being scheduled for interview
                      May 2017 - AP/EAD received:
                      March 2018 - AP/EAD forms sent for renewal
                      Sept 2018 - AOS interview scheduled.
                      Oct 2018 - AOS interview
                      Nov 2018 - Green card in hand

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by wimon View Post
                        USCIS new policy on 7:13/2017

                        485 can be denied directly without RFE and NOID. USCIS will issue NTA and deport you immediately because you miss a single evidence in your 485 package without having to issue RFE or NOID.

                        Truly MAGA! Their goal of driving all immigrants out is within reach.


                        https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...IDs_FINAL2.pdf
                        shut up troll you have no idea what you are talking about. half of U.S. immigration law has pretty much been suspended because it cant be enforced one way or the other (resources, not wanting to cause hardship)
                        As an example : Family children seperation < law of the land just not enforced by the president ( head of the executive branch ) until trump did it for a bit.

                        Today turns out cant return hundreds because DNAs dont match with the ?parents? aka people smugglers or they are serious criminals with violent convicitions.

                        What I want to say is its not always black and white , will this be enforced a hundred percent ? OF COURSE NOT , USCIS KNOWS MAIL GETS LOST. and what I find disgusting is lefties on this forum trying to stir things up. I am conservative , so is that a problem for you ? I support making this process tough and stringent so that genuine legal immigrants are not tainted by the bad ones that file without a reason or errenous reason because they want to stop deportation proceedings or the likes .

                        America is a free country with people and different viewpoints. If you dont like it then you know where to go back to some shithole country with one party rule for life and no democracy whatsoever.

                        Guess what . Trump won , he is OUR president get over it he won ( electoral college by a lot actually )
                        In a few years a new one will be elected . GET OUT and DO something for your party to win . Its a game thats how it works. Simple . The world will still keep on living economy is great , hispanic and black unemployment is as low as in decades . Go to work make a living buy a house live the american dream and stop crying about things you cant change.

                        Trump is for LEGAL immigration not illegal. Everyone on this forum going through the legal process should appreciate that and respect that . We know the sweat tears and money involved . I come from a country that shares no border with the USA I had to wait a long time to fly here , no way for me to cut the line .
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mustang85635 View Post
                          shut up troll you have no idea what you are talking about. half of U.S. immigration law has pretty much been suspended because it cant be enforced one way or the other (resources, not wanting to cause hardship)
                          As an example : Family children seperation < law of the land just not enforced by the president ( head of the executive branch ) until trump did it for a bit.

                          Today turns out cant return hundreds because DNAs dont match with the ?parents? aka people smugglers or they are serious criminals with violent convicitions.

                          What I want to say is its not always black and white , will this be enforced a hundred percent ? OF COURSE NOT , USCIS KNOWS MAIL GETS LOST. and what I find disgusting is lefties on this forum trying to stir things up. I am conservative , so is that a problem for you ? I support making this process tough and stringent so that genuine legal immigrants are not tainted by the bad ones that file without a reason or errenous reason because they want to stop deportation proceedings or the likes .

                          America is a free country with people and different viewpoints. If you dont like it then you know where to go back to some shithole country with one party rule for life and no democracy whatsoever.

                          Guess what . Trump won , he is OUR president get over it he won ( electoral college by a lot actually )
                          In a few years a new one will be elected . GET OUT and DO something for your party to win . Its a game thats how it works. Simple . The world will still keep on living economy is great , hispanic and black unemployment is as low as in decades . Go to work make a living buy a house live the american dream and stop crying about things you cant change.

                          Trump is for LEGAL immigration not illegal. Everyone on this forum going through the legal process should appreciate that and respect that . We know the sweat tears and money involved . I come from a country that shares no border with the USA I had to wait a long time to fly here , no way for me to cut the line .
                          Calm your horses. If Trump is for legal immigration then you need to look at his businesses on how employed undocumented immigrants for years so he can pay them cheap change. Melania lied on her immigration papers. So if you are going to call out hypocrisy then you need to start with your own president. Yes immigration reform is needed but please don?t tell me Trump genuinely wants reform. He doesn?t want brown people plain and simple and he is doing everything he can to get rid of them.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by mustang85635 View Post
                            shut up troll you have no idea what you are talking about. half of U.S. immigration law has pretty much been suspended because it cant be enforced one way or the other (resources, not wanting to cause hardship)
                            As an example : Family children seperation < law of the land just not enforced by the president ( head of the executive branch ) until trump did it for a bit.

                            Today turns out cant return hundreds because DNAs dont match with the ?parents? aka people smugglers or they are serious criminals with violent convicitions.

                            What I want to say is its not always black and white , will this be enforced a hundred percent ? OF COURSE NOT , USCIS KNOWS MAIL GETS LOST. and what I find disgusting is lefties on this forum trying to stir things up. I am conservative , so is that a problem for you ? I support making this process tough and stringent so that genuine legal immigrants are not tainted by the bad ones that file without a reason or errenous reason because they want to stop deportation proceedings or the likes .

                            America is a free country with people and different viewpoints. If you dont like it then you know where to go back to some shithole country with one party rule for life and no democracy whatsoever.

                            Guess what . Trump won , he is OUR president get over it he won ( electoral college by a lot actually )
                            In a few years a new one will be elected . GET OUT and DO something for your party to win . Its a game thats how it works. Simple . The world will still keep on living economy is great , hispanic and black unemployment is as low as in decades . Go to work make a living buy a house live the american dream and stop crying about things you cant change.

                            Trump is for LEGAL immigration not illegal. Everyone on this forum going through the legal process should appreciate that and respect that . We know the sweat tears and money involved . I come from a country that shares no border with the USA I had to wait a long time to fly here , no way for me to cut the line .
                            Did you forget to take your medications?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by azblk View Post
                              Did you forget to take your medications?
                              nah im good , passed medical no problem how about you? look i know you are alt left , resist trump impeach 45 kind of person i can read it so if you have something else to say other then cheap jokes then go ahead

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Plz View Post
                                Calm your horses. If Trump is for legal immigration then you need to look at his businesses on how employed undocumented immigrants for years so he can pay them cheap change. Melania lied on her immigration papers. So if you are going to call out hypocrisy then you need to start with your own president. Yes immigration reform is needed but please don?t tell me Trump genuinely wants reform. He doesn?t want brown people plain and simple and he is doing everything he can to get rid of them.
                                N.1 : If you employ hundreds of people through a contractor on one of many construction sites and that person hires few illegal immigrants then its not the same. Impossible to not have that happen on a construction site in NY . They have **** green cards and **** SSN cards that are being sold all over ny in the open, its very easy for them to slip through .

                                N.2 You exactly make the point how can he be anti immigrant if he has been married to and immigrant lol. Show me the papers filed with the lie. Those are rumors there is no way it can be proven true because its impossible to see her USCIS filed forms just like is impossible for me to see yours if I want to.

                                Always two sides to every story . Try other news sources then WaPo and CNN for a change bud

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                                Originally posted by azblk View Post
                                Did you forget to take your medications?
                                If I aint mistaken dont you come from one of those beacon of societies in Africa ? How are governments treating the people there huh ? I think any country there would take trump over one of those rebel leaders sucking the country dry , anyday . So spare me please.

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