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    I am a legal citizen of the US. I can vote, have a social security number and drivers license. My mother became a citizen of the US when I was 13 years of age. During this time I was never issued a Certificate of Naturalization document. Recently I applied for a replacement using the N565. As the document states a replacement which implies I must have had one in advance. Well that was my best guess document to use. It has yielded only a biometric interview and a rejection letter that there is no record of me every being issues a Certificate of Naturalization.

    At this point I have no idea how to go about getting this document as I would like to acquire a US passport and can not proceed with this document. The over goal is to get a US passport. If there is a better way to do this I am open to it. Currently the Certificate of Naturalization if the document that seems to be my bulwark towards a passport. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

  • #2
    You need to file Form N-600 to get your Certificate of Citizenship..

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    • #3
      You won't receive nor are you eligible for the Certifcate of Naturalization (N400) as you did not go through that process.
      You automatically became a citizen since you were a minor at the time of your mother's naturalization. You can apply for a certificate of citizenship (N600) which, once issued, becomes your document for proof of citizenship.

      However, it is my understanding that this document is not required for you to get a passport.
      As a first time passport applicant, you can use your mother's Naturalization certificate, your birth certificate, a previously expired passport that has your mother's name on it, etc. This establishes documentary evidence.
      It is best if you can apply in person and have your mother accompany you.
      Opinion only. Cannot be construed as legal advice.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by R78 View Post
        You won't receive nor are you eligible for the Certifcate of Naturalization (N400) as you did not go through that process.
        You automatically became a citizen since you were a minor at the time of your mother's naturalization. You can apply for a certificate of citizenship (N600) which, once issued, becomes your document for proof of citizenship.

        However, it is my understanding that this document is not required for you to get a passport.
        As a first time passport applicant, you can use your mother's Naturalization certificate, your birth certificate, a previously expired passport that has your mother's name on it, etc. This establishes documentary evidence.
        It is best if you can apply in person and have your mother accompany you.
        What do I need to bring when I apply for the passport? Also will they know what to do at the places that issues the passport? Thanks for this information as it has been a pain. Why is it that my situation seems so difficult to navigate as I have ask many and they did not know what to do?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by lindylex View Post

          What do I need to bring when I apply for the passport? Also will they know what to do at the places that issues the passport? Thanks for this information as it has been a pain. Why is it that my situation seems so difficult to navigate as I have ask many and they did not know what to do?
          See this page, scroll down to the section "U.S. Citizenship through Naturalization of a Parent". Basically, you need your birth certificate, your mother's Certificate of Naturalization, your old green card, and your parents' marriage certificate. All passport accepting facilities should be able to handle it; the ultimate adjudication is done by the Department of State. If you have trouble with one place, try another. People have said anecdotally that county clerks tend to be more knowledgeable than post offices.

          Did you turn 18 before or after 2001? Prior to 2001, the law generally required that both of your parents had to have naturalized before you turned 18, unless one of them was deceased or they divorced and the parent having custody naturalized.

          This is my personal opinion and is not to be construed as legal advice.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by newacct View Post

            See this page, scroll down to the section "U.S. Citizenship through Naturalization of a Parent". Basically, you need your birth certificate, your mother's Certificate of Naturalization, your old green card, and your parents' marriage certificate. All passport accepting facilities should be able to handle it; the ultimate adjudication is done by the Department of State. If you have trouble with one place, try another. People have said anecdotally that county clerks tend to be more knowledgeable than post offices.

            Did you turn 18 before or after 2001? Prior to 2001, the law generally required that both of your parents had to have naturalized before you turned 18, unless one of them was deceased or they divorced and the parent having custody naturalized.
            I do not have a green card. I have never seen a green card for myself. The marriage certificate of my biological mother and father? My mother was no married to my biological father at the time of my naturalization. She was married to another. I turned 18 before 2001.

            What county clerk location do you recommend for close to Philadelphia, PA USA? I see post offices, libraries and also feel the post office is not going to work.

            What is this document? “Documentation of legal custody“?

            “Evidence of your permanent residence status. Examples include:
              • Permanent Resident Card/Green Card
              • Foreign passport with the original I-551 visa entry stamp”
            How do I provide this and when I do not have it?
            Last edited by lindylex; 05-11-2022, 10:18 AM.

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            • #7
              What makes you think you naturalized? Automatic US citizenship acquired after birth (see this chart), is only for permanent resident (i.e. green card holder) minors. And prior to 2001, it generally required that both parents naturalized. How did you come to the US? Did your mother petition you to immigrate and you entered the US with an immigrant visa? Did you come to the US on a nonimmigrant visa and did Adjustment of Status to become a permanent resident inside the US?

              This is my personal opinion and is not to be construed as legal advice.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by newacct View Post
                What makes you think you naturalized? Automatic US citizenship acquired after birth (see this chart), is only for permanent resident (i.e. green card holder) minors. And prior to 2001, it generally required that both parents naturalized. How did you come to the US? Did your mother petition you to immigrate and you entered the US with an immigrant visa? Did you come to the US on a nonimmigrant visa and did Adjustment of Status to become a permanent resident inside the US?
                newacct, I am naturalized. I have a drivers license, voter’s card, social security number and can vote for a president.

                “How did you come to the US?” with my mother on an airplane.

                “Did your mother petition you to immigrate and you entered the US with an immigrant visa? Did you come to the US on a nonimmigrant visa and did Adjustment of Status to become a permanent resident inside the US?”

                How would I find this out? I did a Freedom of Information Act on myself. Is that answer embed within those documents?

                My mother was remarried to an American when I was naturalized.

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                • #9
                  I know you believe you are a citizen, but that belief is no good unless you can prove it. You can't infer citizenship based on any of the documents you mentioned or actions you may have taken. Non-citizens can get driver's licenses and Social Security Numbers, and you can register to vote and vote in many places on your assertion that you are a citizen, and even if there is something that is supposed to check for proof of citizenship, they could always have made a mistake.

                  You need to figure out an actual provision of law that you claim to have become a citizen under, and get evidence that you satisfied those provisions. I understand that you were a child at the time and you may not have been aware what visas you came to the US on and what immigration processes were applied for for you. If you have the old passports that you entered the US on, that would help. Any visas and stamps on that may give a clue. Otherwise, your FOIA request helps. Did you make an FOIA request to CBP or USCIS? When you said "when I was naturalized", did you go through an actual oath ceremony, or do you mean when your mother naturalized?

                  This is my personal opinion and is not to be construed as legal advice.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by newacct View Post
                    I know you believe you are a citizen, but that belief is no good unless you can prove it. You can't infer citizenship based on any of the documents you mentioned or actions you may have taken. Non-citizens can get driver's licenses and Social Security Numbers, and you can register to vote and vote in many places on your assertion that you are a citizen, and even if there is something that is supposed to check for proof of citizenship, they could always have made a mistake.

                    You need to figure out an actual provision of law that you claim to have become a citizen under, and get evidence that you satisfied those provisions. I understand that you were a child at the time and you may not have been aware what visas you came to the US on and what immigration processes were applied for for you. If you have the old passports that you entered the US on, that would help. Any visas and stamps on that may give a clue. Otherwise, your FOIA request helps. Did you make an FOIA request to CBP or USCIS? When you said "when I was naturalized", did you go through an actual oath ceremony, or do you mean when your mother naturalized?

                    “Did you make an FOIA request to CBP or USCIS?” How do I differentiate this. I did one on my mother and one on myself.

                    ...or do you mean when your mother naturalized?” when my mother was naturalized.

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                    • #11
                      Okay, so what documents did you get from the FOIA request?

                      This is my personal opinion and is not to be construed as legal advice.

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