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  • Embassy got a mistaken impression and rejected her visa, do I call them?

    This is my fault. Trying to make amends.

    SHORT VERSION: I helped an online international friend secure a one-month internship at an American university, to be completed just three months before she graduates med school in Turkey. I *thought* I was supposed to write an invitation letter to go along with the acceptance letter from the school. The interviewing officer, as best I can tell, took one look at my letter and thought this was a front for a green card marriage, rejecting her visa out of hand. She's on the verge of graduating - she has every reason to go back unless she plans on throwing her entire career away. Should I call the embassy to explain the situation? Or would that just make things worse for her? I don't want to have screwed her out of any chance of matching for residency here. Her dream was to become a doctor, and to do so in the United States.

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    LONG VERSION: An international friend of mine was accepted for a one-month internship at a school in the United States. She graduates from med school two months after this internship is meant to end, and needs to be back in Turkey to do that unless she intends to entirely derail her career before it can even start.

    She had been accepted to an internship at a school in Germany, but jumped at the chance to come here instead. She wants to complete the US Medical License Exam and match for residency in the US after graduating, and visiting would be a great opportunity to speak to residency coordinators, both finding out exactly what she needs to do and realistically assessing her chances of earning such a position in the programs she's interested in.

    Her (female) German friend had written an invitation letter to go along with the acceptance letter from the German school. Knowing little about the visa application process, I thought it would be a good idea for me to do the same.

    Her visa interview lasted mere minutes before she received the 214(b) rejection notice. From talking with her afterwards, it sounds like the interviewing officer took one look at my invite which accompanied the school acceptance letter and suspected this was a front for a green card marriage. It most certainly is not. She *has* to go back at the end of the internship in order to graduate. Our contact has been purely online up to this point - this would merely be our first meeting in person, and the thought was that I would go over and attend her graduation, meet family, if and only if we got along well enough to justify it.

    I want to see her become a doctor, and I want to help her with that as I can. Call me a naive idealist, but I still believe in the American dream. Yes, I care about her, but any notion of marriage would require spending enough time together in person (years) to decide we actually wanted that. Her ever coming back to the US in the first place depends heavily on her both wanting and being able to secure her place here, which means scoring better on the USMLE than we expect domestic graduates to in order to be considered at all.

    I screwed up, she was denied a visa because of me, and I'm terrified this will nix not just the internship, but any chance of getting a visa should she match for residency as well. Should I call the embassy in Ankara and try to explain the situation? Or would that just make things worse?

    I should note that she's Syrian, but hasn't set foot there since before the war started. Started out as random friends on ********, read into some schools for her and delivered her paperwork to the school where she got accepted. She's on track to place for residency in Turkey and investigating opportunities in Germany and England as well if US residency is either too difficult to realistically pursue or she decides she isn't interested in living here.

    I understand that if the embassy folks weren't being suspicious then they wouldn't be doing their jobs. Just trying to decide if I can or should try set the record straight, and whether that would help her. I'd rather not land myself on a no-fly list or something for talking to someone from Syria in the first place.
    Last edited by KHas; 02-24-2016, 05:47 AM.

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    She applied for B2 visa to do her internship ? I think she applied for a wrong visa.
    - I am not an Attorney, hence not giving any legal advice. Just sharing MY opinion with an intent to help others.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Libra_14 View Post
      She applied for B2 visa to do her internship ? I think she applied for a wrong visa.
      She applied for the one recommended by the international student coordinator at the school. If another is more appropriate that would be good to know. And I apologize about the other thread, this puts the situation in much clearer context.

      In any case, given this is why they rejected her, I don't see things going any differently were she to simply apply again. Trying to think how to get this across to them so she doesn't get bounced for the same reason. She made it sound like the interviewer was completely disinterested in her and very brief, not even looking at the doc she brought regarding graduation, and worries she'll be rejected no matter what on the basis of nationality alone.
      Last edited by KHas; 02-24-2016, 09:42 AM.

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      • #4
        There is a deadline fast approaching for this internship... any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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        • #5
          Embassy got a mistaken impression and rejected her visa, do I call them?

          Originally posted by KHas View Post
          There is a deadline fast approaching for this internship... any advice would be greatly appreciated.
          She is a Syrian citizen. It wouldn't matter what visa she was applying for or what documentation she provided. The officer seemed disinterested because she was not going to be approved for a visa to the U.S.

          I would assume that once she graduates or her student visa expires she would have to return to Syria. If she is not able to obtain an internship or residency in one of the other countries she is applying, I would look into what options there may be for her to file either for a temporary stay status, meaning it is not safe for her to return to her home country, or possibly filing for asylum in Turkey.

          If all of this is about a 1 month internship in the U.S., then now you know that is not going to happen.

          Good luck to you and your friend.

          Trinity71

          This is my opinion and not legal advice. Use of this information is strictly at your own risk.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Trinity71 View Post
            She is a Syrian citizen. It wouldn't matter what visa she was applying for or what documentation she provided. The officer seemed disinterested because she was not going to be approved for a visa to the U.S.

            I would assume that once she graduates or her student visa expires she would have to return to Syria. If she is not able to obtain an internship or residency in one of the other countries she is applying, I would look into what options there may be for her to file either for a temporary stay status, meaning it is not safe for her to return to her home country, or possibly filing for asylum in Turkey.

            If all of this is about a 1 month internship in the U.S., then now you know that is not going to happen.

            Good luck to you and your friend.

            Trinity71

            This is my opinion and not legal advice. Use of this information is strictly at your own risk.
            Are you a visa officer? Just curious. I appreciate that if they didn't approach these cases with suspicion then they wouldn't be doing their jobs, but if they're categorically denying entry to Syrians it'd be nice if they said so before taking her money. For the record, she has work lined up in Turkey following graduation. She was looking at studying for the US Medical License Exam pursuant to residency while working there after graduation. I had suggested applying for a work visa after graduation given that I know a company she'd be well qualified for, thought it would help to be immersed in English while preparing for the tests, but she shot down the idea for economic and practical reasons - I don't know her exact status in Turkey, I'd have to ask, but she seems utterly unconcerned about being sent home.

            Would you say there's any point in her sinking a year of her time and thousands of dollars into taking these tests, going for ECFMG certification, and applying through ERAS, or could she expect the embassy to take one look at the nationality on her passport and blow her off again?
            Last edited by KHas; 02-26-2016, 04:16 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KHas View Post
              Are you a visa officer? Just curious. I appreciate that if they didn't approach these cases with suspicion then they wouldn't be doing their jobs, but if they're categorically denying entry to Syrians it'd be nice if they said so before taking her money. For the record, she has work lined up in Turkey following graduation. She was looking at studying for the US Medical License Exam pursuant to residency while working there after graduation. I had suggested applying for a work visa after graduation given that I know a company she'd be well qualified for, thought it would help to be immersed in English, but she shot down the idea for economic reasons - I don't know her exact status in Turkey, I'd have to ask, but she seems utterly unconcerned about being sent home.

              Would you say there's any point in her sinking a year of her time and thousands of dollars into taking these tests, going for ECFMG certification, and applying through ERAS, or could she expect the embassy to take one look at the nationality on her passport and blow her off again?
              I am not a VO, but I am familiar with visa/immigration issues. The Embassy cannot state they are not going to issue any visas to Syrian citizens at all and also everyone is eligible to apply, so it's not just to take a person's money. So basically, it is her right to pay the money and apply for a visa. Also not every visa may be denied, even though due to the current situation in Syria, it could be difficult for a Syrian citizen at this time to come to the U.S.

              She also applied for a tourist,visitor visa. That could have caused problems. She is applying for one thing and stating her reason for wanting the visa to come here as another. Usually, people who come here for something like an internship apply for a J1 visa (Exchange/Scholar). That could also have been the problem and maybe not even the Syrian citizenship as she is safely living in Turkey.

              I know the denial form she received is the most general one, but did it state any reason for denial? It may give us an idea of what the problem was. If it states something like incorrect visa... maybe she could reapply for the J1. There are so many things it could be, it's hard to say.

              As far as the exams, etc. I would never say not to do those things, because education and experience can afford people opportunities they may not have otherwise.

              Trinity71

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Trinity71 View Post
                I am not a VO, but I am familiar with visa/immigration issues. The Embassy cannot state they are not going to issue any visas to Syrian citizens at all and also everyone is eligible to apply, so it's not just to take a person's money. So basically, it is her right to pay the money and apply for a visa. Also not every visa may be denied, even though due to the current situation in Syria, it could be difficult for a Syrian citizen at this time to come to the U.S.

                She also applied for a tourist,visitor visa. That could have caused problems. She is applying for one thing and stating her reason for wanting the visa to come here as another. Usually, people who come here for something like an internship apply for a J1 visa (Exchange/Scholar). That could also have been the problem and maybe not even the Syrian citizenship as she is safely living in Turkey.

                I know the denial form she received is the most general one, but did it state any reason for denial? It may give us an idea of what the problem was. If it states something like incorrect visa... maybe she could reapply for the J1. There are so many things it could be, it's hard to say.

                As far as the exams, etc. I would never say not to do those things, because education and experience can afford people opportunities they may not have otherwise.

                Trinity71
                She sent me pictures of the document. Not sure I can post them here. They said she didn't demonstrate strong ties to Turkey, but they didn't look at the documents she brought vis-a-vis graduation. They asked her name, asked her what she did (medical student - probably could have elaborated), then they asked who I was, she said I was a friend she met on the Internet, and the officer went "Ah. Right." Then they came back with the denial and said to try again in six months. That was the entire interview. Like I said, less than five minutes. I think they may have assumed this was a front for a green-card marriage. Been torn ever since whether to call and clear things up or if that would make it worse.

                I've spoken to the university she was accepted at and they're sending her an updated acceptance letter, but the rest is going to have to come from her. They had suggested the B1. Not sure if they'd sponsor a J1 for a one-month thing (or if that sponsorship would have to come from her school) but we wanted to follow up on it if it was a viable option.

                We're thinking that what she needs to do at the next interview, if she goes again and if they give her the opportunity to talk about it, is emphasize what she has lined up in Turkey after graduation. Pretty sure at this point it's not going to happen and I'm pretty sure she's sure of it too, but she still wanted to give it one more shot.

                Could I PM you?
                Last edited by KHas; 02-26-2016, 01:56 PM.

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                • #9
                  Sounds like a standard 214b denial letter.

                  Stating someone "she met on the internet" (usually an euphemism for marriages) seemed to have been an issue in this interview.

                  No point in contacting the embassy. All she could do is try again, if she so desires.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by daggit View Post
                    Sounds like a standard 214b denial letter.

                    Stating someone "she met on the internet" (usually an euphemism for marriages) seemed to have been an issue in this interview.

                    No point in contacting the embassy. All she could do is try again, if she so desires.
                    Suppose they would have documented that as the reason for denying? If the internship is shot I don't want this to come back and bite her if she tries to match for residency after graduating.

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                    • #11
                      They certainly retain interview Q&As.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by daggit View Post
                        They certainly retain interview Q&As.
                        So in summary, they got the wrong impression about the purpose of her visit, couldn't be bothered to hear her out or ask me anything about it, and she's effectively blacklisted?

                        Sorely tempted to call them, but they'd probably slap me on a no-fly list or something and call it a day.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KHas View Post
                          So in summary,
                          they got the wrong impression about the purpose of her visit, LIKELY YES
                          couldn't be bothered to hear her out or ask me anything about it, CORRECT
                          and she's effectively blacklisted? NO; CAN TRY AGAIN WITH 'STRONGER' DOCUMENTS

                          Sorely tempted to call them, DON'T BOTHER, NOT WORTH IT
                          but they'd probably slap me on a no-fly list NO WAY; NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU
                          or something and call it a day.
                          .

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by daggit View Post
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                            Sorry. I confess I'm a bit angry about this situation. Her getting this internship was something of a minor miracle in itself, and she had been looking forward to it and working and saving for it for the better part of a year. I believe in the American dream. I encouraged her when she didn't think it was possible even to get the internship. Everything seemed to have come together, and then it fell apart in the space of five minutes, evidently thanks to my invite.

                            I'm just trying to find some way to help.

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                            • #15
                              Is there something more to this than you just trying to help her..

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