Finding reason for Visa rejection: Doctor father and housewife mother - Sponsored by

[vandemataram_INDIA]

Thanks to immi help and this whole public forum !
You all have provided much valuable guidance so far !

So, my parents' (father a doctor & house-wife Mother) visa got rejected, in Mumbai.

Rejection reason - my parents were unable to demonstrate strong economic - social ties to India.
I am not sure why would they care about my father's financials. I was sponsoring their visa ! And my father, is a philanthropist guy, practicing in village , and doing almost social service (doesnt charge poor patients' female kids.. Yeah, it still happens, parents dont spend money for treatment of their girl-child.).

Interview session –
Started with mother.
Which messed up the game plan.
My father had better answers. (Like I am a photographer by hobby and want to do some photography trips in national park along with my son..and kind of thing)

Translator –What do you do?
Mother - Housewife

Translator – Why do you want to go to US?
Mother – To meet my son. Blah blah (…and to tour around US. And I like museums so really wanted to visit NY’s museums)
* The one in bracket was never translated. As soon as Translator typed, to meet my son, VO started with next question


Translator – when did you meet your son last
Mother- 2 years

How many sons you have?
2. Elder one in US and younger one in India, doing his studies. He has his exams in August (I wonder if Translator ever got chance to write last sentence and if VO directly moved on)

What does elder son in US do? Does he study?
No, he works for blah blah company in Stamford, CT.

Do you have any daughter in india?
No.
(My mother says, this answer impacted quite adversely. Hack, not all parents are lucky to have a daughter, Mr Aamir Khan !)

Question to my father (who is a Homeopath Doctor, and has no interest in immigrating to US what so ever !)

Tranlator - How much income do you have?
Father 1.5 lakh (that’s what IT return he filled in)

VO- Monthly?
Father – No, yearly.


That’s it ! Rejected.
You don’t have enough economic and social ties in India, to convince us that you will return back to India.

Discrepancies –
Why were my parents not able to show strong “financial ties”?
1)
• DS 160 -- Arun Mehta
• Monthly Salary in Local Currency (if employed): 21000

• Vs interview question
Yearly 1.5 lakh

1) MY DS -160 forms indicates my father is a (homeopath) Doctor and has monthly 21,000 income.
2) My parents both went together. (as i want both of them together, not just one of them !)
3) In case of Mumbai - Gujarat residents, they need to do some advanced submission of all the documents. Over there, they had no interesting docs listed. Just DS 160. There is no way, I cud have shown, through the documents, that they have strong financial ties or social ties in india.
4) My parents had just 90,000 in bank account and 7 lakh in Post PPF etc. I dont think they saw these documents and there is no other way, they would have known about their financial details.
My father , in reality, doesnt own a house. It's on my grand parents' name. Though, they had shown some valuation of that house, on their name, however that document was never seen by Visa officer.
5) I was sponsoring their trip and I had shown enough liquidity in my account. Also had my employer's letter, etc.
6) My mother, in interview, was able to explain them about my younger brother, who is still studying and also about my grand parents, who are aged. Though, Visa officer had a reason to believe that she doesnt have strong ties in india (mostly, because she doesnt have daughter !!! ...lol, really?!!)
7) We had this travel agent filling our visa. That was negative point. First is it was operated by rude, careless manager. They almost spoiled everything and had did no value add or suggestion.

Now obviously, I want them to re-apply.

So what should I try to improve on?
Few random suggestions in my mind -
0) Have a CA prepare some net-asset document. To support a claim that they have some savings, or jewelleries or agri income - which is legally not required to be reported in IT return, but they have it.

1) sending my mother alone and then Papa for interview?!
Let them sponsor themselves. VO will ask, do you have enough money? and each can show their CA documents. And how much they need for US trip anyways? 1 lakh only, right?
This will challenge the interviewer's current reason - no financial ties in india

1.5) Obsly, VO will ask, how come you got money now? In first round, you had just 1.5 lakh for family.
we can answer, we were mis-lead by our Agent and we mis-understood your question first. whatever.

2) Re-applying my Parents' (both's) IT forms again to change the tax/income filed for last three years? Instead of showing 1.5 lakh, they can show more realistic one, 3 lakh. (still not enough)
3) transferring some money to our combined (non-NRI) account ? i know the financial statements wont be updated immediately, but still

Any suggestion will be appreciate !

Much Thanks !

[peace999]

From the interview, it will be obvious to any one that the reason for denial is low income
of your father.
It is one of the most important criteria as ties to India .

You cannot undo it by any means now ( No changing income, CA statements, all your options
won't work) I am sorry to say.

What you may do is send your mother alone after several months.
Even then there are no guarantees but you can try.
Sending both parents separately for the interview is not good.
They know all the tricks.

[Beckham]

Thanks for reading out my situation in detail & providing your suggestion, Peace !

My parents saw many aged (above 70, widow, etc) year mothers getting visa - who came all alone.
Few of them talked to my parents and they told that it was their second try (successful one), after initially both - parents were rejected. (some ray of hope?!!)

I know its a big number coming there, so I cant conclude anything..
I dont want to change any numbers in my next DS-160

All I want to change is - self sponsorship and no-agent.
In first DS-160 too, father had shown 21,000 INR monthly.
Obvsly, VO will ask if they (individually) can afford their trips -

Easy answer is, their taxable income was 21,000. They had worked for 30 years and they have gifts, jewelleries and 30 year old savings ....and most of all - big interest income - all good for 1 lakh tickets of USA. (interest income is for now again being invested and not taxed)

They hadnt seen any of their CA/.savings document before.
Let them see it now, they always had some 9-10 lakh savings (in post office) and a house.

I feel like, all these details were clearly suprssed, since they had involved agent ...and I had sponsored them (to raise doubt about their economic situation).
God damn, he is a doctor, and I never expected it would be so tough (impossible) for him to explain about returning back to india ! He has his patients to take care of, he had seriously told me, that he cant do beyond a month

Btway, Peace, would you know any immigration expert, who can further advise on this?
Again appreciate all the support what I have been receiving from immihelp forum !

Vandemataram !

[peace999]

Self funding won't work because you need a very good income for that
1L /mo and above.

There is a branch of a famous US immigration lawyer in chennai.
I can give you the website for that but this forum deletes all private websites.
You can give me your email, I will send you the address.

[india19]

Hello Beckham,

Did you re-apply VISA for your parents? Did it pass through?

I am in same situation. My parent's visa also got rejected twice. I am planning to re-apply.

Thanks,
Shekhar.

[Beckham]

Hello Beckham,

Did you re-apply VISA for your parents? Did it pass through?

Thanks,
Shekhar.

Hi Shekhar,no, i didnt re apply,

Iconsulted moorthy, they had some suggestions , but that didnt help me about my parents 1.5 lakh income and no ownership of home. Thing. I mean, i was told to show my grand parents home on their name, but its not on their name and its going to be that easy (propertier or CA, can valuate and show that being one of the son, of 4 children, they will get 60 lakh/4 , etc but, i doubt.. not sure who ccan write me all that?

What was your case? May be you can message me?